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| halifax |
Posted - Sep 21 2008 : 5:33:55 PM Does anyone have any good updates or info on where the US is in regards to the expected attack/war on Iran? Not much being reported in the western media of late, so hopefully other members have better sources for updates.
Mike - do u think that Sept/Oct/Nov 2008 is still a strong vector for this war?
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| mm2001 |
Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 10:30:03 PM Hi Halifax and Pacino,
I suppose the question of when the war with Iran might begin depends on who starts it.
On my 2009 Part Two page I predicted a decisive air attack by Israel on Bushehr and other Iranian nuclear facilities would begin in June 2009. We are now five months past that vector and nothing has happened yet.
Not yet posted (because I really thought Israel would begin the ME war this year) on my 2010 Part Three page is when there might be, instead, a US attack on Iran. That vector is March 2010.
Interestingly enough, I projected the first shots of the ME war would be fired in Gaza in March 2009. I also thought the war could begin as early as October 2008 ("The War of Alus"). We DID see the war in Gaza play out from late December 2008 through the month of January 2009. Yet, for some reason, the war failed to expand through the likely northern route into Lebanon and Syria. The conflict simply ended and nothing more has happened ...
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| pacino |
Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 6:49:17 PM Thats true Halifax been almost 5-6 years and nothing has happened. Through my research I thought that the Israeli-Iranian war would happen btw November 2009-January 2010.
I wonder whats Mike Time vector on this?
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| halifax |
Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 5:06:48 PM Year after year we see articles and hear about the planned war on Iran.
Israel continues to threaten, but nothing has happenned. US keeps talking, but continue to do nothing more than keep the UN busy on Iran.
If this next time vector comes and goes with nothing taking place, hopefully the great Middle Eastern war is for another time in the distant future? |
| pacino |
Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 5:28:49 PM I have posted some news article yesterday, its about a Hezbollah project called Next War, Last War. The objective of that war is for Hezbollah to send commandos team in Israel during the incoming war for. e.g. 10 000 will defend against any israeli incursion in lebanon while 10 000 commandos head in Israel in order to kill villagers, soldiers and conquer and annex it later on.
now little is available about all this, but im sure hezbollah wont be able to perform such an action without Having Iran and Syria and Hamas bombing Israel at the same time.
The article can be read directly on Hezbollah TV or news Website:
THE HIZBOLLAH PROJECT: LAST WAR, NEXT WARhttp://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=110443&language=en
The situation in the Mideast is very Bad, yesterday Hezbollah leader said he has the capability of hitting any location precisely, within Israel:
Sayyed Nasrallah to Israelis: Send Your Whole Army, We'll Destroy Them! http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=110784&language=en
U.S. Seizes assets include bank accounts; Islamic centers consisting of schools and mosques in New York, Maryland, California and Houston; more than 100 acres (40 hectares) in Virginia; and a 36-story Manhattan office tower.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1258027280796&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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| halifax |
Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 3:34:02 PM Mike - doesnt look good according to the prophecies you quote for the Middle East.
The Iran nuclear talks really have become nothing more than a circular discussion, nothing put forward has actually been agreed to the point where everyone has signed off, and with Israel in particular stating repetively, they will not tolerate a nuclear Iran, the next step for them is quite clear, unless global negotiators can intervene and stike a deal both Iran and Israel will accept. As this drags on more an more that seems unlikely.
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| mm2001 |
Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 01:52:29 AM Hi Halifax,
Yes, since the summer I have seen several such articles regarding Saudi Arabia giving its blessing for Israel to use their air bases to attack Iran. I believe I have the links to these reports on my site.
Obviously, if Israel launches attacks against Iran from Saudi Arabia, and the United States also joins in from that region (and also likely from Iraq and Afghanistan as well), then the Arabian peninsula will be pulled into a huge Middle East conflict. If that happens, the US will dig its grave in the Arabian killing fields and see its ships dissolve under terrorist and naval attacks in the Persian Gulf. The following prophecies suggest as much:
Wolfgang Johannes Bekh on the Seer of Waldviertel -
The "total war" with American participation will take place first in Saudi Arabia when the Americans become involved in a great Middle East conflict; however they will do poorly. Russia will defeat America. Poland will rise against the Russians as an ally of the West. Russia then launches blitzkrieg actions into Germany.
Erna Stieglitz (1894-1965) -
In summer, probably in the month of July if the oil regions are already in rather firm Russian hands, will occur the invasion by Russia upon the south and north flanks: against Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, and Scandinavia...
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| paula |
Posted - Nov 09 2009 : 9:09:29 PM Pacino,
I don't understand the rationale of the Palestinian Arabs. They play the victim way too much and too many people sit with them and hold their hands while the Arabs whine and whine and whine. When the UN voted for partition in 1948, Israel jumped at the chance and established their own state at that moment. The Palestinian Arabs could have done the same, but they chose not to. They have had the opportunity time and time again, but instead they have either fought the Israelis and waited for their Arab brethren to come in and push the Jews into the sea.
Abba Eban stated very clearly in a pithy and poignant phrase: "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity.
Though I am sure others here will disagree, I disagree with Muhammed Abbas it isn't the Israelis that don't want peace, its the Palestinian Arabs. Abbas is just crying victim. |
| pacino |
Posted - Nov 08 2009 : 9:19:56 PM This is going as expected I think: PEACE PROCESS has FAILED and everything points to a huge MIDEAST war as USUAL.. but will it occur or again get hindered and hindered ??? The next few weeks are decisive if Israel wants to attack Iran...
Abbas will not run for next term/ will dissolve the Palestinian government + claims Israel doesn't want peace or two-state solution
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1257455214562&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Iran rejects U.N. Nuclear Deal, MP says http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/11/2009117101516424577.html
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| halifax |
Posted - Nov 05 2009 : 4:21:43 PM Mike - thanks for your comprehensive reply, as usual.
BTW did you see the article about Saudi Arabia allowing Israel to use their airspace if they decide to go it alone in attacking Iran?
If that is the case and it does happen wont that be the excuse for Russia to side with Iran in military action against Saudi Arabia, which of course is one of the key American allies in the region?
Obviously if Russia were to win that battle that would satisfy part of your prediction of Russia taking control of the Oilfields, after all Saudi Arabia has the biggest single Oilfield. |
| pacino |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 7:24:11 PM Clinton to Iran: Accept nuclear deal, because it won't change
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| mm2001 |
Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 01:00:50 AM Halifax,
If you look at the title, RUSSIA ON NUCLEAR ALERT AS ISRAEL PREPARES FOR WAR IN LEBANON AND IRAN, STORMS TEMPLE MOUNT, it is clear the emphasis of my presentation of news articles is indeed that ISRAEL will start a war with Iran and, quite possibly, its neighbour to the north, Lebanon. No mention of the US is in the title, although the US appears in the Iran war news stories.
While I do take some of Sorcha Faal's "reports" with a grain of salt, there are times she is spot on about what she is saying, and her research or support network is well-documented. I felt there was some credibility in her article this time around.
We can, if we wish, chalk up any mention of a joint US-Israeli attack on Iran that DEBKAfile mentions as political Zionist propaganda if we wish, however I have to take seriously the other article that appears courtesy of the Chicago Geopolitics Examiner, "U.S. and Israel prepare for military action against Iran" at http://www.examiner.com/x-4454-Chicago-Geopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d31-US-and-Israel-prepare-for-military-action-against-Iran .
When the Chicago Examiner is citing material from STRATFOR Global Intelligence, this particular intelligence report located at http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/147979/geopolitical_diary/20091028_diplomatic_tumult , you know you are effectively being given information from a very reputable intelligence-gathering organisation.
I remember the days when STRATFOR was a free service, but now one must pay to get this intelligence. Obviously, if I could afford to pay for access to sites like STRATFOR's, I would not be asking for donations for my website.
So, while it may fly in the face of things, if STRATFOR Global Intelligence says the US is working with Israel for a possible joint attack against Iran later this month or next month, and have notified Russia of its possible intentions, it is something I must take very seriously. This, in turn, lends credibility to the DEBKAfile claims of the same. Together, with factual news reports of Israeli military activity on the border with Lebanon, which Sorcha Faal has properly documented with several articles, a few of which I have provided links to, one of which was available on my site before her article was even written, I reluctantly must credit her with some degree of accuracy in reporting.
Personally, I agree that the base 7 timing for a US war with Iran should have occurred during Bush Jr's watch, likely last year (2008), especially during the autumn, or else back in 2005 (early or late). That is why there are no base 7 projections for the US doing anything against Iran this year other than joining in afterwards if Israel starts a major war in the Middle East by launching its own air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. Scenarios for the US conflict largely fall into defensive attacks, such as a few air strikes from the sea against Iranian land targets or ship-to-ship missile retaliations for attacks on US ships, naval support for allied warships, and, of course, US ships being bombed in the Red Sea or Persian Gulf by Iran or terrorists. It is clear that, for this year, I believed that the US would get caught up in fighting after war was begun either by Israel or Israel's enemies.
This still may happen. Not yet posted is the only date in the near future I can see America taking decisive action against Iran ... and that is March 2010. If the US is not at war with Iran in 2010 then the big war in the Middle East will be deferred until the beginning of 2012 (January or February), and the US will likely be part of a multi-national coalition arrayed against Teheran should it not occur until then.
Having said that, should we circumvent a major war in the region involving Israel and Iran with Arab armies, non-Arab Muslim forces, and major powers allying on either side, I would emphasise that Lebanon, at least, is going to become a big problem one way or another in 2010. We will either see another Israeli war launched against Lebanon like the one in June 1982, causing the US and other Western nations to enter into yet another quagmire like Iraq, or there will be civil war there again as factions fight for power (or both situations may occur). If we are lucky, an Israeli war in Lebanon, if it occurs, will be no worse than the one in 2006. But civil turmoil still will, I suspect, open up the way for the pro-Rifaat al-Assad factions to overthrow the weaker, effeminate Bashar al-Assad of Syria. Then the Muslim-prophesied Sufyanni shall sit upon his throne in Damascus, with the blessing of the kings of the west, a puppet "beast" firmly esconched in the Arab world.
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| halifax |
Posted - Nov 01 2009 : 6:25:41 PM Mike, in reference to your latest updates on your overview page, I would like to add some further comment on the current status on this topic. You may not agree with this view but I think this angle needs to be aired for discussion as Obama leading the US instead of Bush Jnr I believe changes the US/Israeli relationship somewhat.
Obama has been the most aloof president towards Israel in recent history. He gives the perception he is not an Israeli supporter. He is not that well received by Israeli leaders, as he does not provide the same political sympathy that recent presidents have displayed in regards to Israel matters.
So why then would the current US administration want to get involved in a joint Israeli attack on anyone in the Middle East at this time? Since the new president has been in office maybe Israel is planning to go it alone with the war plans. The US has been stretched with the Iraq conflict, and the ever-expanding Afghan campaign that has now spilled over into Pakistani territory. For the US to open up a new war directly with Iran or anyone else in the region for that matter, would only stretch resources even further and open up yet another war front.
The Russian propaganda via websites like whatdoesthatmean.com appears to be dragging the US into the mix with Israel to satisfy their own agenda. In reality, Israel will most probably go it alone and attack without support from the current US administration.
More than likely the US would be dragged into the conflict afterwards. Israel attacking anyone in the Middle East gives Russia the excuse to get involved militarily, which in turn drags the US into the conflict, even if the current administration did not want this to occur. After all, as we have discussed many times in the past on this forum the west cannot allow the Middle East Oil regions to fall into hostile control.
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| pacino |
Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:03:13 PM Will finally the Iranian/Israeli and U.S. war start?
Iran threatens to invade Pakistan, "crushing response" for US, UK
EBKAfile Special Report
October 19, 2009, 2:41 PM (GMT+02:00)
Iranian Revolutionary Guards chief Mohammed Ali Jafari
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafary, Monday, Oct. 19, threatened "crushing" retaliation against the US, UK and Pakistan including the invasion of its eastern neighbor. Tehran links all three to the suicide bombing attack in Sistan-Baluchistan Sunday, Oct. 18, which killed 42 people including seven senior Guards officers. One was Gen. Nur Ali Shoustari, Jafari's deputy, who was identified by DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources as commander of the al Qods clandestine terror bases in Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
Jafary said: "Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them."
Continued ... http://www2.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6328
Iran: US, UK, Pakistan behind bomb
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| pacino |
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 09:55:13 AM It seems that peace talks with U.S. and Iran are deteriorating...
Iranian Official blames Deadly Bombing on 'U.S. Actions'
October 18 URL: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/10/18/iran.suicide.attack/index.html
> NEW: U.S. rejects Iran's accusation, mourns "loss of innocent lives"
> Five senior officers with Iran's Revolutionary Guard among 29 killed in terrorist blast at conference (in Iran)
> At least 28 others injured in explosion as Shiite, Sunni groups head to conference
> No claim of responsibility; Iran points finger at U.S. without disclosing its reasons
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| pacino |
Posted - Sep 28 2009 : 5:16:56 PM As i suggested previously in some post, the war between Israel and Iran will be in October-November 2009. The proof is that the media's attention has sky rocketed like crazy since last week due to failed sanctions, Iran not cooperating regarding its nuke program and a just recent Iranian missile drill threatening the entire MIDEAST (according to the jewish controlled media that is):
1. Iran tests Most Advanced Missiles http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3782454,00.html
2. Iran test-fires long-range missiles http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/28/iran.missile.tests/index.html * NEW: White House calls tests provocative, seeks IAEA access to enrichment site * Military exercises come days before key meeting with Western leaders * Tests also come days after Iran admits it has second uranium enrichment plant
3. SAUDIS WILL LET ISRAEL BOMB IRAN NUCLEAR SITE http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/130251/Saudis-will-let-Israel-bomb-Iran-nuclear-site
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