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Conor
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Posted - Nov 08 2005 :  05:24:07 AM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mike these riots in Paris and across France are highly suspect in my opinion, they seem to be well organised and stem from islamic unrest in France. Do you know of anything like this which would either strengthen or destabilise Chirac/Chirens role in Europe? It looks to me like it is doing serious damage to the French statesmen. Its also alarming at how fast the riots spread and how violent they are. France is buring amid civil unrest.Surely Nosty may have seen something like this?

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mm2001
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Posted - Nov 08 2005 :  6:25:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit mm2001's Homepage Send mm2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Conor,

According to Nostradamus, Chiren (whether that is Chirac or a future Henric), gradually takes control of a France that is partitioned by war and rebellion. Just as France was partitioned by the Nazis and Vichy regime during World War II, the foreign Islamic army, the Islamic populace, and the nationalists will partition France during World War III. Chiren will initially have control of the northern regions, but will have to liberate the rest before he is made "monarch of France." During this time there will be much violence in the south of France.

Here are a few quatrains I believe will apply to Chirac when the Iranian-led Islamic invasion of France takes place at the same time Russia invades central and northern Europe:


Quatrain 5.100

The incendiary by his own fire trapped,
Fire from the sky at Carcassonne and Comminges:
Foix, Auch, Mazeres, the important old man escaped,
By those of Hesse, of Saxony, and Thuringia (Germany between 50th and 52nd latitudes).


All the cities and towns in lines 2 and 3 are located in southwestern France well below the 44th parallel. The strikes against them are either nuclear, FAE, or a mixture of both. An Islamic commander directing the attacks will in some way miscalculate and instead bring about his own destruction when his own position is targeted. The important old man who escapes through German assistance may be President Jacques Chirac, now forced to make a tactical retreat (escape) to the north.


Quatrain 3.100

Among the French the least honored one,
Against his enemy will be victorious:
Force and lands through action will be explored,
When suddenly from a shot the envious one dies.


Quatrain 3.100 suggests that if Nostradamus' hero Chiren is President Jacques Chirac, he will not be a popular domestic leader among the French during the pre-war years. However, as a liberator and commander-in-chief of Europe's armed forces, he will later be hailed as a monarch.

The "envious one" — which may be Chirac's current and most challenging rival, ultranationalist leader Jean-Marie Le Penn — will be shot dead by an assassin's bullet at this time, when Europe's liberation transforms into a wholesale vendetta against the "great barbarian empire."

When Chiren is made "monarch of France," Nostradamus says "not everyone will agree to it." But the opposition will be won over.

Later, when Chiren is made emperor of Europe, again "not all will agree to it." But the opposition will be won over or crushed.

The point of all this being: Chiren does not start out as a popular leader at all. Indeed, he is very unpopular among some French. But he is redeemed in the end.

Even then, not all nations will agree to Chiren as emperor, or leader over all of Europe.

So, if Chirac looks unpopular or is in political trouble, this is exactly what Nostradamus says the future hero Chiren will be like. But like a modern-day Caesar he will place all of his nation's adversaries under his foot and rise above all domestic opposition and become mighty.

Nostradamus makes numerous mentions of revolts, civil wars, and wars from foreign armies where France is concerned. Very few of the quatrains dealing with civil disorder are dated astronomically or liturgically, including those dealing with the 1789-93 French Revolution and Reign of Terror.

At the moment, NONE of the quatrains dealing with revolution and civil wars in France bears any resemblance to what is going on now. They may in the future (or may not).

Aside from Josef Kugelbeer, prophets Alois Irlmaier and Erna Stieglitz say the revolutions and mob violence in France will not happen until after invading Russians forces have been forced to retreat from Europe. Other older European prophets who mention revolution in France also seem to believe it will be post-war.

The Seer of Waldviertel is uncertain. He says it was difficult to tell when the civil wars he saw would happen -- before or after WW3.

Even Kugelbeer, who is the only one to see a pre-war revolution in France, says Germany and Italy will fall to civil disorder and revolution first (before France).

Nostradamus laments about what horrible changes are occurring in France and Italy when Aries is in control of the heavens (March/April). That next comes in March/April 2006.

So, if this is the prophesied event, we should also be seeing Italy falling victim to similar riots very soon ... all reaching a head by March/April.

Therefore, we shall have to wait and see if the current rioting dies down or else builds, while other civil uprisings take place from Russia to Germany to Italy (as Kugelbeer, the Waldviertler, and Nostradamus have warned).

If the latter situation occurs, you will know that World War III is close at hand.

But if the latter situation does happen, we should be seeing other developments (signs) happening very soon as well: including the nuclear destruction of NYC, fireballs falling from the sky and impacting earth (either from space or from a supervolcanic eruption), a major Middle East war, in part resulting from Israeli and US attacks against Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, and two major Balkans conflicts in the former Yugoslavia (probably in Kosovo/Macedonia) and Bulgaria.

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Conor
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Posted - Nov 09 2005 :  05:52:28 AM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well thats certainly interesting. I have been keeping an eye on Iran lately and the new President is highly radical and loathes the West and Israel with a passion. His remarks on wiping out Israel were tantamount to a declaration of war!
I can see that The US are just itching to invade Iran I think and France was highly negative towards Irans nuclear ambitions and its remarks about Israel, so I thought there may have been a link between the French riots and Irans displeasure with France.
If the US invaded Iran I can see that as the start of WW3 as Russia will not allow a US presence on their borders or anywhere near the Caucasus oil fields.
Oil is the key to all this of course! Oil will be the spark that ignites the next great and terrible world war.
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mm2001
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Posted - Apr 26 2006 :  8:03:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit mm2001's Homepage Send mm2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Will the French office of president eventually give way to a full-blown monarchy? Only time will tell. Perhaps to Nostradamus and the Bible prophet Daniel, a president who rules all or the better part of 21 years (1995 - 2016) might seem like a "king." Then again, by May 2009, the end of Chirac’s second term, international developments (building shadows of a third world war in Europe) may well lead to a popular movement in France to restore the monarchy and Mr. Chirac could be crowned as king by public acclaim.

Actually, Nostradamus suggests the office of French monarch will be earned ... by defeating the armies of Mohammad. Chirac is currently the ONLY European leader with any guts who has warned that he will use nuclear weapons against Iran should he deem it as necessary. If you can't see Chirac positioning himself to be the adversary of Islamic fundamentalism and a nuclear-armed, militant Iran in particular, Cassandra, then you haven't been paying attention.

And what is age? Ronald Reagan was 74 going on 75 when he ran for his second term of office (retiring at age 79). Ayatollah Khomeini ran Iran from age 79 to his death at age 89 in 1989. Yes, I know there are European prophecies that say the great monarch will be a young man with a limp. But most say he will be an OLD man who dies of old age a short number of years (no more than 7) after being made monarch of France. So, which ones are right? Given the charisma Chirac projects globally, I go with the ones who think Chiren will be an old man.


Do I not impress, Cassandra? So, sorry...

But however ... If Chirac is not the Chiren, then one might look at some of the royal pretenders (from my page You must be logged in to see this link.):


OTHER PROSPECTS FOR CHIREN SELIN

It should be noted that there are descendents of French royal families who could restore the monarchy if the French people desired it. Here is a summary:


1) Henri Philippe Pierre Marie d'Orléans, Comte de Paris, Duc de France, the Orleanist pretender to the French throne. As king, he would be Henri VII. He was born on June 14, 1933, as son of Henri, Comte de Paris and his wife Isabelle of Orleans-Braganza. He was born in Woluwe-Saint-Pierre, Belgium. On July 5, 1957, he married Duchess Marie-Thérèse of Württemberg (born 1934). He received the title Comte de Clermont. Five children were born out of this union.

MARIE, (born 1959) married Prince Gundakar of Liechtenstein (born 1949), and has issue.

FRANÇOIS, Count of Clermont (born 1961) severely disabled.

BLANCHE, (born 1962) severely disabled.

JEAN, Duke of Vendôme and Dauphin de Viennois, (born 1965) unmarried.

EUDES, Duke of Angoulême (born 1968) married to Marie-Liesse de Rohan-Chabot (born 1969), with whom he has two children, Thérèse (born 2001) and Pierre (born 2003).

The marriage was unhappy, and ended up in a divorce in 1984. That same year Henri married Micaela Cousiño Quinones de Leon (born 1938). They have no children.

So, Henri, his sons Jean and Eudes, and grandson Pierre are directly in line to inherit the throne of France if it is ever re-established.

2) Don Luis Alfonso Gonzalo Víctor Manuel Marco de Borbón y Martínez-Bordiú, considered to be the head of the French Royal House by royalists who consider the renunciation of Felipe V of Spain as invalid. They call him prince Louis de Bourbon, and accord him the title Duc d'Anjou (Duke of Anjou). As king, he would be Louis XX. He was born on April 25, 1974 in Madrid. His father was HRH Don Alfonso de Borbón y de Dampierre, Duke of Anjou and Cádiz. He is unmarried.

These two men, Henri Philippe and Luis Alfonso, are in contention with one another for the throne should the royalty ever be recognised again. When Henri passes on, it will likely be his second son Jean, Duke of Vendome who will then contend against Luis, Duke of Anjou, nine years apart in age. I would think that the eldest son of Henri, Francois, would be unable to govern.

Just as Great Britain's Prince Charles is reconsidering going by the name of Charles when he is coronated, the same applies here: any of these individuals could take the name of Henry if that is their wish.


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mm2001
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Posted - Apr 29 2006 :  05:17:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit mm2001's Homepage Send mm2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, I know that now. I found it out a few days ago.

I have made corrections just about everywhere but on this post.

I have scoured the news and cannot see that Chirac has said he will NOT run in 2007. It appears many are writing his obituary already, but I think this premature. But with his appointed successor, de Villepin, now considered a political failure, Sarkozy perceived as a psychotic, Le Penn a ultranationalist radical, Jospin history, and despite this 51% favourability rating, Segolene Royale not being taken seriously as a winner at this time, who is going to beat Chirac??

You know, many people thought Lionel Jospin would win against Chirac in 2002 ... and I said, no, Chirac will win, you wait and see. And I was right. If Chirac runs in 2007 (and international developments such as Iran rather than internal matters may prompt him to seriously consider a third term), I believe he will win again. He will feel it is his duty, I think.

In the end, it will be for Chirac's handling of foreign policy that he will be proclaimed; not for his domestic policies.

But if he really is too sick to run, then it just may be over for him as being a fulfillment of Nostradamus prophecy. But if true, there are none in line for the 2007-2012 presidency who would take his place who could better be the Chiren than Chirac himself. None.


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Conor
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Posted - Jun 22 2006 :  12:51:07 PM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So now that Chirac seems to be bowing out of politics who could be the possible Chiren?

Is it at all possible that Chiren may be a woman?
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mm2001
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Posted - Jun 22 2006 :  8:05:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit mm2001's Homepage Send mm2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Being "down in the dumps" and "commentators (saying) that after more than 11 years in office, he is very unlikely to seek another term in next year's election" are not declarations by the potential candidate himself. Commentators can be wrong.

What did I say about Nostradamus' view of Chiren BEFORE he is made monarch .. when he is still merely a "leader" (president)?


Quatrain 3.100

Among the French the least honored one,
Against his enemy will be victorious:
Force and lands through action will be explored,
When suddenly from a shot the envious one dies.


Also, what of the rescue of an old president of France when it is attacked?


Quatrain 5.100

The incendiary by his own fire trapped,
Fire from the sky at Carcassonne and Comminges:
Foix, Auch, Mazeres, the important old man escaped,
By those of Hesse, of Saxony, and Thuringia (Germany between 50th and 52nd latitudes).


This action is too far south to apply to France during World War II. Nazi Germany never got that far south. Besides why would the Germans be aiding in the rescue of Marshall Petain in WW2? This quatrain is also one for the future.

We can't write Chirac off until he actually says he will not seek re-election ... and technically not until the election itself has taken place and a new leader chosen. These are tumultuous times we live in ... the proper crisis or a world war could easily cause Chirac to seek to remain in power .. or for the French to seek to keep him in power.

Salic Law always prohibited females from being monarchs. It is unlikely that a female will be "Chiren" (who, Nostradamus says will be a male monarch).



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mm2001
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Posted - Jul 03 2006 :  11:34:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit mm2001's Homepage Send mm2001 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't write Chirac off yet!

An anonymous source emailed me the following message and article. Thanks for sending!

"Cassandra relayed from France (via your forum) that Chirac was not going to run for the next French election. This article suggests that option is still open for him."

Chirac Keeps Election Plans to Himself

PARIS -- French President Jacques Chirac said Monday he will not announce for at least six months whether he will run for re-election in spring 2007.

With approval ratings hovering near an all-time low, Chirac is not widely expected to seek a third term. But the president was coy when asked about his plans during an interview on prime-time television.

"You should normally know during the first trimester of next year, once I have taken my decision and I have decided to announce it," Chirac told France-2 television on Monday.

Chirac insisted his government would not waste the year leading up to elections. "In a system with a five-year presidential term, we can't spend one year out of five doing nothing," Chirac said in remarks that were at times combative.

The president and his conservative government have faced what many commentators have described as a horrible year, since French voters rejected the proposed EU constitution in May 2005. His government struggled to quell a wave of rioting in troubled suburbs in
November. The spring brought massive protests over a labor reform. Now his government is fighting a political scandal.

A poll a week ago in Le Journal du Dimanche newspaper suggested that 70 percent of the French disapprove of Chirac's performance.

Chirac, who turns 74 in November, spent a week in the hospital in September for a vascular problem that affected his vision. His office gave few details, and many commentators speculated it was a stroke.

Meanwhile, France's political scene has been increasingly absorbed with jockeying between would-be presidential candidates _ Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and Socialist former minister Segolene Royal.




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Posted - May 06 2009 :  02:51:59 AM  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know the excact location of the place of birth of chiren.
his name is a location. and it is a hospital in the netherlands in a place called groningen.
from the opening of the hospital until now there were only two people born that could be chiren on that exact spot. one who is called hendrik and one who's anagram is chiren selin and he is called henric by family. his family weapon has a french lily in it. his left leg is weakend and he damaged his seeing self with an experiment on his school. he has dark eyes and brown hair. he also had seen hitler in his yought on tv. and he is highly interested in politics.

what do you guys think of this person.
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pacino
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Posted - May 06 2009 :  6:27:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit pacino's Homepage Send pacino a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ozmiach

I know the excact location of the place of birth of chiren.
his name is a location. and it is a hospital in the netherlands in a place called groningen.
from the opening of the hospital until now there were only two people born that could be chiren on that exact spot. one who is called hendrik and one who's anagram is chiren selin and he is called henric by family. his family weapon has a french lily in it. his left leg is weakend and he damaged his seeing self with an experiment on his school. he has dark eyes and brown hair. he also had seen hitler in his yought on tv. and he is highly interested in politics.

what do you guys think of this person.



are they famous or on there way to a political career?

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only one and this person is the leader of a rebellion group called the European Rebel Elliance. the headquarter is in the netherlands and there are outposts in france and zwitserland in luzern.
he reads often books about the art of war and is family is highly military.
and he is a different-globalist. he says that his loyalty is to europe and france.

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I can't give you his real full name but his full name in anagram is henric niles arthur bamashaid. (his first name is robin and he named all his accounts chirenselin or chiren.
and that is the part that I think that there must be a link between the chiren of nostradamus and him.

ozmiach member of the E.R.A

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Conor
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Posted - May 27 2009 :  03:18:59 AM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I certainly cant form an opinion on a person based on those two paragraphs to be honest.

This sounds very egotistical, I hope that you are not referring to yourself ozmiach.
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jul 06 2010 :  1:08:46 PM  Show Profile Send Darkcomet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Translation please anybody!!!!

If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
- Ernesto Che Guevara -




Edited by - Darkcomet on Jul 06 2010 1:10:07 PM
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Conor
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Posted - Jul 08 2010 :  07:56:10 AM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gibberish!
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jul 10 2010 :  05:03:00 AM  Show Profile Send Darkcomet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is the craziest story I've ever heard! Lucky Eddie that's going straight into the classics. *LOL*

If you tremble indignation
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then you are a comrade of mine.
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Conor
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 :  05:33:29 AM  Show Profile Send Conor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aside from the humorous story from eddie, I think the point we are getting at is that what ozmiach posted is worthless and probably relates back some delusion that justifies an implausible self belief.
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