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 Posted - Mar 18 2003 : 3:53:44 PM
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Hi,
On the website it says that Chirac could been this Chiren, That may be true but i have read that he runs europe or takes 20 years to control Europe or something... If someone could clear this up for me as Chiren has a referance to 20 years.
Also i have read that Chiren is also called "Young Chiren" and Chirac of france is not a young man can someone clear this up for me.
Thank You
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mm2001
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 Posted - Mar 18 2003 : 5:56:13 PM
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Hi Twilight,
You are thinking of another Nostradamus personality. He is called "young Ogmios" in one quatrain and "Ogmios" in others. He will lead France and the new empire of Europe for about 30 years.
Ogmios will not come to power until after the death of Chiren -- he will be his successor.
Chiren is the same person spoken of in many other European prophecies: an old man who rules only a few years (some say as much as seven years); a great monarch who will be honoured and respected for having brought about an end to the great war to come (most agree to be WW3).
There are differing opinions about this "great monarch." Most hold that he will be French. Some believe he will be German. Nostradamus held him to be French. There are a few prophets who say the "great Monarch of France" to come will be young, but most hold that he will be old and will die not long after winning the war and uniting Europe.
Ogmios is a Celtic name. The Celts live in northwestern France and throughout Great Britain and Ireland. I believe this Ogmios will be the youngest brother of the British royal family: Prince Edward. I believe "the three brothers" are not the Kennedys as many believe, but Charles, Andrew, and Edward.
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Posted - Mar 19 2003 : 07:14:48 AM
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Chirac is such a strong opponent to the war that it appears to add credibility to the idea of him being a peacemaker. Could he possibly have something to do with the return of peace after the war? I think its a probability at this stage. Though the americans see the French and Germans in present light as traitors. I think they are right to go against the US on this, I will probably be universally despised for saying it though. The US has never been an occupied country, it has never been overrun by conquerors, France and Germany were both like this. Germany conquered and occupied France, then Germany was conquered by the allies and occupied by the allies and Russia for along period after. They can empathise with what will happen to Iraq, Chirac doesn't support Hussein, he is totally against him, but he doesn't want a war. He is trying to uphold the UN. The UK and US have irrevocably damaged the UN in all this. I think Chriac is Chiren and in a few years he will be shown to be a peacemaker, the one prophecised about!
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Posted - Mar 19 2003 : 07:54:21 AM
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Hi,
Thanks for clearing this up for me i got my wires crossed a little, I would not have thought France to be the peace keepers in all this due to the fact it seems they will have there own problems in future years with citys being destroyed, Or i am i wrong here as well?
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Posted - Mar 19 2003 : 5:45:26 PM
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Yes, Conor,
I believe Chirac is Chiren -- I have said so in my book, on my website and a sample chapter from my book on my website. I believed this even when he was still Mayor of Paris before he won the presidency of France in May 1995.
Despite his current anti-war stance, I believe he will lead Europe to victory against Islamic and Russian attacks launched against the West. He will WIN World War III. No other personality today exhibits the almost regal leadership, determinism, and charisma of Jacques Chirac. He is doubtlessly the "Chiren" Nostradamus says will become Monarch of France, King of Rome, and Emperor of Annemarc (Europe) after World War III ends. And when he comes to power in this capacity, Rome will also have a French pope. |
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Posted - Mar 20 2003 : 11:28:08 AM
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Posted - Mar 21 2003 : 01:16:42 AM
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Exactly.
WW3 is close at hand. It remains to be seen if the ongoing war in Iraq will be the trigger. If not, then a war that will result from its aftermath.
Neither the US or Russia will win WW3 -- it will be won by a European coalition led by France. This French-led coalition will become a European empire after the war ends, led by Chirac. I hesitate to say the EU is the coalition, however, since there will be so much civil war in some EU nations ... and Nostradamus even predicts that Chiren must quell a civil war in Italy and another in Germany. |
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| Quick question. What will become of the U.S.? Will it still be a sovereign nation, or will we be under the control of European or other forces? Will Chirac and the European coalition be the future super power or will the whole world be sent back to the dark ages, where any petty despot with enough forces can have their way? |
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| Why does this idea of history looking back on the presidency of George W. Bush as the era in which the United States was reduced from the world's only superpower to a second-rate power not surprise me? That's what would happen if Europe were to pass the U.S. up in global power during the Bush watch. |
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Posted - Mar 24 2003 : 07:18:15 AM
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At the moment the EU is not very prevelant in creating itself as a superpower. It is currently fractionated. The UK and Spain are outcasts but gaining in powedr due to their alliance with the US, France and Germany, the power of the EU are being spurned by the US. The neutral countries of Denmark, Portugal and Ireland are being shunned for letting the US use their airports and airspace. The rest of the countries are concerned with the newer countries joiing that are currently allying with the US. Its all very unbalanced at the moment. The only way it can become stronger is if the UN has a bit more of an influence in it or vice versa. It is highly respected in Europe. If the EU gained more control in the UN it would unite the nations of the EU and that is the only way Chirac could create a European superpower.
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Posted - Mar 24 2003 : 4:24:10 PM
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The US and the EU are already at war with each other, battling for supremacy in a very behind the seens way and one of the battlegrounds is Iraq.
Read Conors "Concequnces in the Middle East" and you will see what I mean.
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Posted - Mar 24 2003 : 5:55:09 PM
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Hello Conor and everyone ...
Like I said "I hesitate to say the EU is the coalition, however, since there will be so much civil war in some EU nations ..."
I say I "hesitate" because I do NOT really think the EU will become the European super-power Nostradamus and so many other Old Europe prophets foresaw coming in the latter years of human history.
Nostradamus gives us the best view of what nations will be at the core of this Western coalition that will win World War III: Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, and whatever remains of the US military by this time. But it will be France that is credited with winning the war. I don't know how France gets so powerful since it will require Britain's help in liberating the southern part of its own country.
Anyway, like dominoes, all the occupied nations of Europe, like Spain, and nations still plagued by civil war, like Italy, are liberated by this French-led snowball that gets larger and larger as it plows eastward. Eventually this juggernaut defeats all the enemies of the East and the South (North Africa) and peace comes to Europe and to Asia. Chiren (Chirac, I believe) is made king of France during this process or at the war's conclusion. Then he will be proclaimed by many nations to be leader of Europe. But not all nations of Europe will immediately agree to it. There will be some who will contest Chirac as emperor of a new united Europe early on. Not all FRENCH will agree to it right away, nor Swiss, nor Germans. Even afterwards, when Europe is united under Chirac, there will be some uneasiness with Spain, requiring a special treaty. But when all is said and done, the new empire will be greater in power and more expansive than that of Charles V or Charlemagne, according to Nostradamus and others.
When Chirac dies, the Swiss and Germans will attempt to launch a revolt against the Empire, but will fail. Then Britain will take over "the sceptre."
So, as you can see, this new post-war Europe will not be the current EU and will not be easily forged. But when it is, it will be greatest power the world has ever seen.
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Posted - Mar 27 2003 : 4:41:03 PM
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Chirac is chyren? lol he is NOT!
Chyren is the SON OF GOD, HIS SECOND SON.
read the epistle.
"Monarch of the UNIVERSE"
Nosty knew Jesus Christ is the King of KINGS.
What would the brother of a King be? What would his title be?
Prince of the covenant (as in the book of Daniel!)
Look up all the quatrains that have "the great one" "prince" "monarch"
reread the epistle to "HENRY"
reread his letter to his son, caesar.
Chyren will be because ABBA said he will be!
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Posted - Mar 28 2003 : 06:06:02 AM
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Who the hell is ABBA? Apart from the very nice group from Sweden that sing Dancing Queen!! LOL!!
MaudDib, I have no idea where you are getting this stuff from. But what you have said totally contradicts what we have spoken about in this forum. The return of Jesus Christ is not until the very end of the Earth as approach Armaggeddon, so says the Bible. If Chiren were an important part of the time of the end, he would be mentioned in Daniel or Ezekial or Revelations, he is not.
Chiren is someone prophecised for the period of internal strife in Europe at the time of World War 3. He is the precursor to Ogmios or possible ally with Ogmios. So waht you are saying makes no sense at all really. Have you even read Mikes site and his predictions and interpretations?
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ABBA is the old name for GOD or FATHER.
"The return of Jesus Christ is not until the very end of the Earth as approach Armaggeddon, so says the Bible."
what do you think is comming now!!??!! it has begun.
"If Chiren were an important part of the time of the end, he would be mentioned in Daniel or Ezekial or Revelations, he is not."
yes he is! seek and you shall find! Chyren is not Jesus, he is his brother!
the Prince of the Covenant.
From the book of Daniel chapter 11
"21 In his place shall arise a contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given; he shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 Armies shall be utterly swept away before him and broken, and the prince of the covenant also."
verse 21 = 3rd amd most evil anti christ
verse 22 = PRINCE OF THE COVENANT.
From the new testament
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
John 16:8-13 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”
Rom 8:26 “In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words”
Rom 15:16 “to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.”
thats right!!! He is the Holy Spirit in physical form! He MUST come before Jesus returns!
"Chiren is someone prophecised for the period of internal strife in Europe at the time of World War 3. He is the precursor to Ogmios or possible ally with Ogmios. So waht you are saying makes no sense at all really. Have you even read Mikes site and his predictions and interpretations?"
no, i get my interpertations from a "higher" source.. why do you think i'm here anyway???
to tell you what is to come!
some quatrains to ponder.
Quatrain 2,28
Le penultiesme du surnom du Prophete,
Prendra Diane pour son iour & repos:
Loing vaguera par frenetique teste,
En deliurant vn grand peuple d'impos.
The penultimate of the surname of the Prophet
(whats the surname of JESUS?)
Will take Diana for his day and rest:
(which is interperted as a thursday)
He will wander far because of a frantic head,
And delivering a great people from subjection
(where are the "great people" located?)
Century 1 Quatrain 50
De l'aquatique triplicit‚ naistra.
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa feste:
Son bruit, loz, regne, sa puissance croistra,
Par terre & mer aux Oriens tempeste.
From the three water signs will be born a man
(pisces)
who will celbrate Thursday as his holiday.
(hehe)
His renown, praise, rule and power will grow
on land and sea, bringing trouble to the East
Quatrain 10,71
La terre & lair geleront si grand eau,
Lors qu'on viendra pour Ieudy venerer:
Ce qui sera iamais ne fut si beau,
Des quatre parts le viendront honorer.
The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,
When they will come to venerate Thursday:
That which will be never was it so fair,
From the four parts they will come to honor it
why venerate thursday? THURSDAY is ascension thursday! the Brother remembers, he takes as his holiday the day they KILLED his brother...Line 4 means FROM THE 4 PARTS...OF HEAVEN!
Quatrain 7,17
Le prince rare de piti‚ & clemence,
Viendra changer par mort grand cognoissance:
Par grand repos le regne travaill‚,
Lors que le grand tost sera estrill‚.
The prince who has little pity of mercy
(the Prince of the Covenant?)
will come through death to change (and become) very knowledgeable.
The kingdom will be attended with great tranquillity,
(america)
when the great one will soon be fleeced.
when nosty refers to the "great one" who or what does he mean? lmao! Jerusalem will be "fleeced!"
http://hometown.aol.com/henryIIking
above is a link to a letter thats almost as old as nosty's epistle! She wrote it to the "HAND OF GOD" he is "the LILY of the valley" i suggest you read that letter after you read this post!
Song of Solomon 2:1 - I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys.
Song of Solomon 2:2 - As a lily among brambles, so is my love among maidens.
4 I will heal their faithlessness; I will love them freely, for my anger has turned from them.
5 I will be as the dew to Israel; he shall blossom as the lily, he shall strike root as the poplar;
6 his shoots shall spread out; his beauty shall be like the olive, and his fragrance like Lebanon.
Luke 12:27 - Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Century 5, Quatrain 50
L'an que les Freres du lys seront en aage,
L'vn d'eux tiendra la grande Romanie:
Trembler les monts, ouuert Latin passage,
Pache macher contre fort d'Armenie.
The year that the brothers of the lily come of age,
One of them will hold the great "Romania":
The mountains to tremble, Latin passage opened,
Agreement to march against the fort of Armenia
LEGIS CANTIO CONTRA INEPTOS CRITICOS-- INCANTATION OF THE LAW AGAINST INEPT CRITICS
Quos legent hosce versus maturŠ censunto,
Profanum vulgus & inscium ne attrectato:
Omnesq; Astrologi, Blennis, Barbari procul sunto,
Qui aliter facit, is rite sacer esto.
Let those who read this verse consider it profoundly,
Let the profane and the ignorant herd keep away:
And far away all Astrologers, Idiots and Barbarians,
May he who does otherwise be subject to the sacred rite
there is so much more i could post but i will stop here to let you digest this, your belief system needed a tuneup!
this is the truth, when you read it, you will know.
I am desert power. |
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Posted - Mar 28 2003 : 4:46:13 PM
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ABBA is the old name for GOD or FATHER.
"The return of Jesus Christ is not until the very end of the Earth as approach Armaggeddon, so says the Bible."
what do you think is comming now!!??!! it has begun.
"If Chiren were an important part of the time of the end, he would be mentioned in Daniel or Ezekial or Revelations, he is not."
yes he is! seek and you shall find! Chyren is not Jesus, he is his brother!
the Prince of the Covenant.
From the book of Daniel chapter 11
"21 In his place shall arise a contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given; he shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 Armies shall be utterly swept away before him and broken, and the prince of the covenant also."
verse 21 = 3rd and most evil anti christ
verse 22 = PRINCE OF THE COVENANT.
From the new testament
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
John 16:8-13 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”
Rom 8:26 “In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words”
Rom 15:16 “to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.”
thats right!!! He is the Holy Spirit in physical form! He MUST come before Jesus returns!
"Chiren is someone prophecised for the period of internal strife in Europe at the time of World War 3. He is the precursor to Ogmios or possible ally with Ogmios. So waht you are saying makes no sense at all really. Have you even read Mikes site and his predictions and interpretations?"
no, i get my interpertations from a "higher" source.. why do you think i'm here anyway???
to tell you what is to come!
some quatrains to ponder.
Quatrain 2,28
Le penultiesme du surnom du Prophete,
Prendra Diane pour son iour & repos:
Loing vaguera par frenetique teste,
En deliurant vn grand peuple d'impos.
The penultimate of the surname of the Prophet
(whats the surname of JESUS?)
Will take Diana for his day and rest:
(which is interperted as a thursday)
He will wander far because of a frantic head,
And delivering a great people from subjection
(where are the "great people" located?)
Century 1 Quatrain 50
De l'aquatique triplicit‚ naistra.
D'un qui fera le jeudi pour sa feste:
Son bruit, loz, regne, sa puissance croistra,
Par terre & mer aux Oriens tempeste.
From the three water signs will be born a man
(pisces)
who will celbrate Thursday as his holiday.
(hehe)
His renown, praise, rule and power will grow
on land and sea, bringing trouble to the East
Quatrain 10,71
La terre & lair geleront si grand eau,
Lors qu'on viendra pour Ieudy venerer:
Ce qui sera iamais ne fut si beau,
Des quatre parts le viendront honorer.
The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,
When they will come to venerate Thursday:
That which will be never was it so fair,
From the four parts they will come to honor it
why venerate thursday? THURSDAY is ascension thursday! the Brother remembers, he takes as his holiday the day they KILLED his brother...Line 4 means FROM THE 4 PARTS...OF HEAVEN!
Quatrain 7,17
Le prince rare de piti‚ & clemence,
Viendra changer par mort grand cognoissance:
Par grand repos le regne travaill‚,
Lors que le grand tost sera estrill‚.
The prince who has little pity of mercy
(the Prince of the Covenant?)
will come through death to change (and become) very knowledgeable.
The kingdom will be attended with great tranquillity,
(america)
when the great one will soon be fleeced.
when nosty refers to the "great one" who or what does he mean? Jerusalem will be "fleeced!"
http://hometown.aol.com/henryIIking
above is a link to a letter thats almost as old as nosty's epistle! She wrote it to the "HAND OF GOD" he is "the LILY of the valley" i suggest you read that letter after you read this post!
Song of Solomon 2:1 - I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys.
Song of Solomon 2:2 - As a lily among brambles, so is my love among maidens.
Hosea verse 4 to 6
4 I will heal their faithlessness; I will love them freely, for my anger has turned from them.
5 I will be as the dew to Israel; he shall blossom as the lily, he shall strike root as the poplar;
6 his shoots shall spread out; his beauty shall be like the olive, and his fragrance like Lebanon.
Luke 12:27 - Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Century 5, Quatrain 50
L'an que les Freres du lys seront en aage,
L'vn d'eux tiendra la grande Romanie:
Trembler les monts, ouuert Latin passage,
Pache macher contre fort d'Armenie.
The year that the brothers of the lily come of age,
One of them will hold the great "Romania":
The mountains to tremble, Latin passage opened,
Agreement to march against the fort of Armenia
LEGIS CANTIO CONTRA INEPTOS CRITICOS-- INCANTATION OF THE LAW AGAINST INEPT CRITICS
Quos legent hosce versus maturŠ censunto,
Profanum vulgus & inscium ne attrectato:
Omnesq; Astrologi, Blennis, Barbari procul sunto,
Qui aliter facit, is rite sacer esto.
Let those who read this verse consider it profoundly,
Let the profane and the ignorant herd keep away:
And far away all Astrologers, Idiots and Barbarians,
May he who does otherwise be subject to the sacred rite
there is so much more i could post but i will stop here to let you digest this, your belief system needed a tuneup!
this is the truth, when you read it, you will know. One more thing, read Zechariah!
I am desert power.[/quote]
I am desert power.
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