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Darkcomet
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 Posted - Dec 13 2007 : 07:33:20 AM
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Mike...could this fit into one of your prophecys?????
Israelis and Palestinians start negotiations.
http://english.alarabonline.org/display.asp?fname=2007\12\12-12\zsubz\912.htm&dismode=x&ts=12/12/2007%2011:39:49%20Ő
If you tremble indignation
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mm2001
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Posted - Dec 13 2007 : 4:58:32 PM
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Indeed, Darkcomet, these talks are a continuation of November's Annapolis Peace Summit, a summit I predicted would occur in October (so I was only off by a month). Of course, I did not know back when I made the prediction just where the summit would be located, but I got most of the participants right.
I also said the great October comet would be visible in the heavens at the time of the summit/peace talks. Comet Holmes is still faintly visible to the eye and much better in binoculars even now, but will not be in a week or two. It was best seen from late October throughout most of November.
I called the October comet (Holmes) the "peace comet" or "star of peace" in the summit prediction because of it coinciding with the summit. However, it appears I was wrong that the world's leaders would personally regard the comet as such.
This peace process, if I am correct, will last about a year, then fall apart by October 2008 when "World War III in the Middle East" breaks out throughout the region. This is the war Nostradamus associated with the figure known as "Alus sanguinaire." It will coincide with the US elections and an economic crash/collapse in the US that will spread worldwide.
It appears my other fear, the alternative result of the summit, that the summit would collapse and war spread from city to city throughout the planet in huge storms of fire has not occurred (thankfully). However, I am uneasy about Russia's recent movements in the northern sector of Europe and also a recent declaration by Putin that he has ordered a ‘first strike’ policy against US forces over Kosovo should war break out over independence in January. This would tend to favour the alternative result of the summit, and escalate the trend towards world war, not only in the Middle East, but in Europe, throughout the world, and trigger total thermonuclear war between the USA and Russia.
I had thought this would not occur until August 2009, and quite possibly not until August 2012, but the current moves by Russia, if left unchecked, may bring this to our doorstep by August 2008.
Putin Orders ‘First Strike’ Against US Forces Over Kosovo -- US Military Leaders' Aggressive Moves in Balkans and Middle East Designed to Confront Russia, Not Iran - December 12, 2007.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1054.htm
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jan 10 2008 : 08:37:47 AM
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Found this news link...thought it was an interesting read reguarding the peace negotiations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7180354.stm
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Mar 03 2008 : 07:15:12 AM
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Israel and Palestine.
Bush should be encouraging these two country's towards peace, he should focus now on what is about to errupt in his own country, stories flying around about the Canadian army being called in if the food crisis kicks off does not bode well. Not to mention what is now unfolding with Ecuador, Venezuela and Colombia.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/03/03/ecuador.colombia/index.html
Bush could get himself and the USA into a sticky situation here.
You were right Mike, your prediction about 'USA Attacked From Latin America'.
http://www.newprophecy.net/2008part1.htm
All the hallmarks are there, the only question should be.
Can this be avoided?
If you tremble indignation
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Darkcomet
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Mar 04 2008 : 06:12:39 AM
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At last...America gets up off its backside...
Rice departs for Middle East amid new crisis.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080303/twl-mideast-us-diplomacy-depart-3cd7efd.html
Bush is wasting time...he should get back to America and sort out this mess with Ecuador, Venezuela and Colombia, that is where he would be most useful.
If you tremble indignation
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 05:49:03 AM
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This article has me concerned...when religious people start standing up and screaming Revenge..Revenge...Revenge, things get nasty. When will these people see, religion is not about scoring points, its about realizing your place in the scheme of things.
Eliyahu: “Revenge, revenge, revenge!”
Israeli rabbi calls for 'terrible revenge'
Prominent Israeli rabbi calls for hanging sons of Palestinian gunmen as he quotes biblical Book of Esther.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=25068
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paula
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Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 12:24:02 AM
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Darkcomet,
I clicked onto the link you provided, because the story to me did not sound plausible. I am directly involved with the Jewish Community and I know the philosophy and mentality of Jewish people in the Community. This story to me rings false, for several reasons.
#1. Jews are raised from a very young age in a Torah mentality, which is NOT to take revenge. I am not saying that revenge is totally out of the picture that someone won't desire to take revenge, or that there won't be the odd Rabbi, or religious student that will say something stupid, but I would say that talk about revenge is deeply frowned upon. We are taught NOT to rejoice in the sufferings of an "enemy." If we aren't allowed to rejoice in the suffering of an enemy, how much more are we not allowed to cause it? When something happens, where a religious Jew goes off his nut, i.e. Mr. Goldberg in Hevron years ago - where he went into the cave of Machpela with a machine gun and shot up a bunch of Arabs - it was condemned by the religious community in the strongest possible terms.
#2. Usually a Jew will look at an incident like the shooting of the students in Jerusalem and wonder why G-d has allowed such a thing to happen. I don't know how many times I have heard Shiurim (lessons/talks) covering the subject of the shootings and the predominant question is "What is it about us as a community that has allowed this to happen? What did we do/not do that allowed this to happen? Where can we change and become more observant, give more charity, etc. so that G-d will look at us with more favor and protect us from such incidents in the future.
#3. I believe the Rabbi in question in that article, is supposed to be the Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel. I have heard Rabbi Eliyahu speak in person. He was one of the most humble people I have met. My friend who is Sephardic, went to listen to him talk when he came to town. My friend thought that Rav Eliyahu was too gentle for the position that he occupies. He was slightly disappointed by that, but he had respect for him nonetheless. Now, it is hard to tell one way or the other if it was the Chief Rabbi, the article does not mention exactly who it is alleged made these statements, but I believe this is to whom they are referring.
#4. I believe you are taking the article at face value, which may be a mistake on your part. Much of what goes on in the Arab world, vis-a-vis the Jews and Israel, needs to be strained through a fine strainer. Unfortunately there is a lot of hyperbole, disinformation, propaganda and outright lying that takes place in the Arab media. I don't know how many times I have heard stories that the Arabs have accused the Jews and the State of Israel for all kinds of nonsense. They have accused them of the following: giving out bubblegum to the Palestinian children, which is tainted with the Aids virus so that the Palestinians (or Egyptians, Jordanians, etc.) will get Aids, Sending diseased toys to the Arabs so that the Palestinian will get diseases, In the Lebanese war last summer - deliberately bombing emergency vehicles while the Lebanese Arabs were trying to get wounded people out of the areas where bombs had gone off (this was completely discredited), saying that Jews will kidnap Palestinian, Egyptian, Jordanian (you name it) children to use their blood to make Passover Matzos. There are more allegations, each one more far fetched than the other.
What I am saying is, I would like a few more sources for these alleged statements, preferrably from non-Arab sites. I believe that the Jerusalem Post or HaAretz would not refrain from coming down on any Rabbi that would make such comments. At the very least, HaAretz (and I believe this is also true of the J.P.) would make sure to tout such a comment from such a prominent rabbi far and wide. |
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 06:06:07 AM
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Paula- Do not take by my posting of this article in anyway shape or form as a attack of a religion, I respect people beliefs. My point was that in order to gain peace, one must realize religion is not about revenge. I do not know how true this article may or may not be, my point is merely, if this is what is truely going on and this Rabbi is screaming revenge...this is not the way...I hope this article is wrong or has been blown out of proportion, it concerns me greatly that people would use Yhwy in such a form to attain or incite violence.
Now...I do not pretend to know half of what you are saying by your post, I must admit, I have no idea what you are going on about, perhaps you can enlighten me or provide some links so I can get a truer understanding of what you are saying. I cannot comment on your words until I get a clearer picture of what you mean...DC
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paula
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Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 02:21:39 AM
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Thanks, DC for pointing out that my message wasn't clear. I guess I should have said things differently. OK, so part two.
Let's start off with this: I agree with you that no one should be "screaming revenge" on either side. Like you, I find such a response to be non-productive and dangerous in today's times.
That being said, you don't have to worry about offending me. My skin is generally not that thin. ;-) If I came off in a way that seemed like I may have been offended by your previous posting - then obviously, I wasn't very clear in my previous post.
What I am saying, given that I agree with you that making calls for revenge is dangerous, is that I have reason to believe that the article's assertion is inaccurate. I have spent a lot of time around Jews. I understand the Jewish community. I have spent a lot of time reading histories of the Middle East, both ancient and modern, specifically in the area previously known as Canaan and/or Samaria and Judea, aka Palestine. I have also been learning a lot about the Arab world and the mentality of that particular culture. My comments were to simply say that I don't find the link compelling.
Certain parts of the Arab world are EXCELLENT spin doctors. They have propaganda down to an art. For example, during the last war between Israel and the Hizbollah in Lebanon, there were a lot of photos taken by local Lebanese. One of the photos was a picture of smoke rising up from an area of a city that had been bombed. There was think dark billowing smoke that ascended to the sky. It looked terrible. The problem is that the photograph had been doctored by the person who took it and then distributed it to Reuters. The dense dark smoke had been added through the "Paint" program to make it look like things were worse than they were. Reuters accepted the photo without even questioning its accuracy or authenticity. Then, people on the internet saw the photo and said, "Hey, something's not right with this photograph. It looks like it has been doctored." Reuters was asked about the photograph and eventually they discovered that the original photographer, who apparently has a history of taking photographs of similar import, reflecting an anti-Israel agenda, changed his own photograph. This information broke on the Little Green Footballs webpage and eventually Reuters pulled the picture.
In another example, there were a series of Lebanese men going into an area after the Israelis were alleged to have bombed. In this series of photos, there was one man, whose body looked like it had been thrown in such a way that his limbs came to rest at odd angles. It looked bad. He was wearing a dark blue sports cap whose bill was turned to the back of his head and blue jeans. But, when you kept looking through the photos, you saw the same guy, pulling up some medium sized rocks supposedly to free a "trapped child" whose leg was underneath some rubble. There was no mistaking it, this was the same man - wearing the same sport's cap and the same blue jeans. So, then the question becomes, which was it? Was he dead? Or alive? And, the photo that showed him dead was not at the end of the series, it was in the middle of other photographs. There were also photographs of toys covering the ground, giving the impression that the Israelis had bombed either a school, or an orphanage or a home. But when you looked carefully at the toys, there was something unusual about them, they were clean - one was whiter than snow. My question is, "How could these toys have gone through a bombing and remained so pristine and clean?" Could it be that they weren't there before the alleged bombing? Is it possible that they had been placed there for the camera? Could that be it? Nah! Couldn't be! Of course we have to believe it, I mean, it was on film. So, it had to be true.
Then there is a photo taken several years back and gracing the cover of a book about the Palestinian cause and their propaganda machine. It is amazing how good the Palestinians are about creating spin for their cause. (By the way, don't think I have no criticism for the Israeli government. I do. But right now I am talking of the propaganda in the Arab world.) Anyway, in this photo, you see a young Palestinian boy (about 10 years of age) throwing a rock. You've seen this, I've seen this, it has been all over the news in the past if you have been watching the T.V. But lately, these photos of the rock throwers have fallen out of favor. Any idea as to why? I am not 100% sure of this myself, but it may have to do with the fact that the Israelis are getting smarter. Back to the photo of the boy for a second. You see the boy throwing a rock in apparent "defiance" of the Israeli soldiers. But this photo is different. It wasn't taken like all of the others. The Israelis, like I said, have gotten smarter over time. There was one camera that wasn't taking pictures on the same side as the other press corps of the world who were documenting the scene. That lone camera was on the other side of the rock throwing Palestinian boy, showing the world press taking a photograph of him. You see the boy and on the opposite side there are anywhere from 50 to 100 other cameras taking a photograph of him at the same time. Flash bulbs have lit the boy up like Christmas. He looks like he is a rock star posing for the cameras. And, gee, do you think that maybe that was the whole point to begin with? Is it possible that the boy wasn't throwing a rock in defiance of the Israeli soldiers so much, as he was posing in a photo op?
Here's another question for you.. Do you know why the world press no longer bangs on about the "wall" (aka the security fence)? For months and months a few years ago, the Israeli government was castigated, "How dare you wall out the poor Palestinians?" The world press went out to take photos of the "wall" that the Israelis were building to wall out the Palestinians. Photo after photo was taken and then it came to a stop. Ever wonder why? Well, there really was only one small section of the "wall/security fence" that was a wall with bricks and mortar. Most of the "wall" (85 to 90% of it) is a chain link security fence. But, if you would have listened to the world press and seen the photographs at the time, it would have seemed like the whole thing was made of brick and mortar. In truth there is a section about 100 to 150 feet long that is a wall of any kind. Because the world press and the Arab press were making a big deal of this small section of wall, the Israelis took one of the bombed out busses, from a previous suicide attack and placed it along that one section of wall. After that, guess what? No more photos. After placing the bus there, it would have become extremely obvious that every photo included the same bus. And because of this the whole thing died down.
Because I know these things, I don't immediately assume that a link saying that a Rabbi is talking revenge for the shootings of some young yeshiva boys in Jerusalem is something to be deeply concerned about. I need more than one source, and preferrably a non-Arab source if at all possible. I am willing, if one can be located to revise my opinion. But at this time, I am holding back on my condemnation of Rav Eliyahu.
Sorry for the length of the reply. Obviously, I have no bias. ;-) lol |
Edited by - paula on Mar 31 2008 02:40:31 AM |
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 06:43:54 AM
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Believe me, I am no idiot to the fact of how the media uses every advantage it can to gain a story, in fact I doubt anyone who posts on this forum really believes half of what they print....but we are all at the mercy of the media. That is why I stated only those words that "Revenge is not the way", I have not seen with my own eyes that this is the truth. Neither do I take what people tell me as the absolute truth, you bring up some fair points....but I would be very cautious to take your words and believe they are the absolute truth.
Now back to the story in question, we obviously both agree that revenge is no answer....I wish the rest of the world would wake up and realize this too, but that will NEVER happen. However this is just one story in many, that highlights how religion is used as a weapon, and shows just how dangerous people beliefs can be if twisted to fit another criteria. Even to the point they would kill!!!!...I guess my point here is...I would have to disagree that hanging anyone in such a situation would solve anything....and getting people to believe that Yhwy would approve of this is misleading the people.
If you tremble indignation
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Darkcomet
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pacino
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Could this mean peace is achievable????
