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Darkcomet
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pacino
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pacino
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halifax
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 Posted - Jun 18 2009 : 8:55:16 PM
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But who will fire the first missle - US or Israel???
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 2:58:43 PM
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Be very careful here not to make the mistake most will make about that election. Yes I suspect it was rigged, but there are clear reasons why this is being played out in such a way.
Making Iran and it's leaders look the bad guy in all of this is what I expect most western leaders will try and do. Media, press, whatever you want to call it are guiding our misconceptions. I am scared here for two serious reasons. Because Obama and his clan have a hidden agenda; and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei speech was too close to the truth. They will make him look a terrorist if he does not back down from taking a sly pop at some western countries. For those who missed what was truely said in that speech; he was taking a clear stance against a compromised agreement to protect Israel. I hope he pulls this off, because believe it or not he is standing up for your rights and protecting your freedom. This is going to get very unresting.
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
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halifax
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 7:28:09 PM
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DC – I share your concerns.
There have been too many convenient distractions recently – economic crisis, swine flu, ongoing Korean provocation (both sides), western media only printing what they want or allowed to print on all of the above, and of course there is Iran.
You are dead right – not letting truth get in the way; Iran is rightly or wrongly being portrayed as the bad guy 100%. Nevertheless, as we have discussed several times on this forum, that is not the entire story, but once again, it is perception that counts for everything, and right now Iran is seen, as the bad guy in the Middle East.
All these distractions I feel have played into Israel’s hands – they just cant wait to wallop Iran, and no doubt in the process, either through their ignorance or planning, set off a bigger conflict dragging all and sundry in as Mike has predicted many times.
After all, it was only a few years ago the then French President called Israel a ****ty little country, and maybe he was right, because it has been nothing but trouble since the day the land was handed over to them with the help of the British (stolen???) from Palestine.
Israel clearly has an agenda, and they think they do not have to comply with any rules, hence being an illegal nuclear power.
Israel is loose cannon, despite what is right or wrong about Iran, and you can just see it coming, they have been looking for the excuse to light the fuse for years, and unfortunately look like the time is nearing.
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mm2001
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 10:16:19 PM
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Orange And Red Revolutions Sweep Asia, The Middle East, and North Africa
http://www.newprophecy.net/2010part3.htm
NEW PREDICTION: 11/12/08 -- There is an alignment of nations from North Africa to East Asia that may seek to overthrow their repressive governments or dictatorships and bring about democratic change. There may be partial success, but I fear that overall these mostly peaceful demonstrations will be crushed by the leaderships or else lead to bloody insurrections and bloodier reprisals. These should run during the June/July 2010 period.
The nations most likely to be involved are: Libya, Egypt, Turkey, Georgia, Iran, Myanmar, Laos, and China.
COMMENTS (6/16/09): Well, I must say we can now agree there is a revolution going on in Iran ... and where it will lead remains unknown at this hour. It is being characterised as the biggest revolution that country has seen since the Iranian Revolution of 1979 (which brought the mullah regime to power under the late Ayatolloh Khomeini). This is a PREDICTION PARTIALLY FULFILLED exactly one year premature. It is partial because Iran is listed as one of eight Asian nations I believe revolution will sweep through. Obviously more nations must fall to riots, protests, and revolution before the prediction can be said to be entirely fulfilled. Another country mentioned, Laos, almost became the first of the eight listed this year when its neighbour Thailand was rocked by violent protests and anarchy in April.
Tonight's remarks (6/19/09, 11:31 PM EDT):
I am hearing that there will be a mass demonstration in the morning in defiance of Ayatollah Khamenei's command for all protests to stop or else be crushed by Iran's police and military.
I fear he will make good on his word and many protesters will die. We may be in for Iran's version of the Tiannaman Square Massacre.
In the end nothing will change: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will remain as Iran's president, and the mullah theocracy will become more ruthless and totalitarian than ever as the military machine grows even stronger. Remember: it is the old man with the white flowing beard (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) who runs Iran's military.
Will Zionist Israel launch an attack against Iran's nuclear facilities? Yes, I still believe they will ... after this mess plays out. Their God is counting on them to start WW3 (LOL).
"Cast a cold eye
On life, on death,
Horseman, pass by!"
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 06:35:12 AM
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Yes Halifax, you are right. There are too many distractions going on for people to stop and make sense of what is truely happening. The west is being fed rubbish by the media stream. One has to consider there is always two or more sides to a story; and not take haste when drawing conclusions.
Mike, your predictions are being forced forward by the actions of certain individuals who are not remaining patient. Too eager to get to their goal, they are causing mayhem with events. This in turn is causing those in power to panic, as they clamber to cover their own asses, mistakes will be made. Unfortunately it's the people that are left in the dark who will pay the price.
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
- Ernesto Che Guevara -
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pacino
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 4:48:46 PM
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The American Press is doing more damage to the world's tension than ever. CNN has put the conflict on its Main Page with shocking pictures (showing blood and protests). Obama is calling for TOUGHER sections on Iran or its government and is calling for the cessation of brutality on the Iranians.... or what?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/20/iran.election/index.html
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Will Zionist Israel launch an attack against Iran's nuclear facilities? Yes, I still believe they will ... after this mess plays out. Their God is counting on them to start WW3 (LOL).
Full Article (Link below):
http://www.economywatch.com/economy-business-and-finance-news/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-iran-charity-economics-apocalypse-brigade-16-6.html
Iran, Israel and the Global Economic Recovery
Current opinions on both sides of the nuclear-Iran equation are likely to be both entrenched and embolded.
Rather than an 'Axis of Evil', we believe there is an 'Axis of Apocalypse-Wishers'. The neo-conservative Christian Right believes that the end of days comes with an Apocalyse in the Middle East, setting the stage for the second coming of Christ. They are no longer in power in the US. However extreme Right-Wing Zionists are back in power to in Israel, and they believe in an Apocalypse preceding the coming of the New Jerusalem.
Shi'ites, meanwhile, believe that an Apocalypse precedes the coming of the 12th Mehdi or redeemer. Ahmadinejad has stated that the official policy of Iran is to help pave the way for the coming of the 12th Mehdi, and this is no doubt also the policy of the Supreme Leader and Council of Guardians.
Many in Israel and the US are reported to be secretly relieved that Mousavi did not in fact win the elections. With Mousavi in power they would need to take time to negotiate, and that process could be drawn out, buying more time for Iran's nuclear program.
As it stands, the path is cleared for Israel to strike Iran. The US may not publicly support that action, in fact it may condemn it, but it will probably provide tacit support. The same is likely of Arab leaders, who are increasingly wary of their belligerent neighbour and its influence on this own Shi'ite populations and on militant groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
If Iran is attacked, it is likely to retaliate by targeting ships and oil pipelines in the Persian Gulf. Oil and Gas from Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE and Qatar all pass through the Gulf - in other words, the majority of exported oil.
Crippling or severely reducing oil exports could send oil to nightmarish $500 a barrel price tag, effectively ending any global economic recovery, and possibly bringing about full-scale war, pleasing the Apocalypse brigade on both sides but horrifying the sane 99 per cent of residents in the region who will be caught in this conflict.
Did we mention that the stakes are high?
Welcome to the countdown to World War III:
http://aoprophecy.com/ |
Edited by - pacino on Jun 20 2009 7:15:07 PM |
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jun 21 2009 : 07:27:40 AM
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Pacino- good find with those articles. Especially what you yourself have pointed out :)
The second coming of Christ is very important...though I should point out this will be an illusion based on faith, a trick.
I see Obama has suddenly hinted he may have balls...
Obama urges Iran to halt violence
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/06/21/obama-urges-iran-to-halt-violence-84229-23936274/
Shame he seemed to have none when Israel was conducting violent acts against other regions.
Watch Obama very closely now, he is going to fundamentally put the holes in the cheese by upsetting the healthcare system. This will hit the poor and those who desperately need help.
"Let us make holy cheese!"
Watch Bill Gates too! As pointed out previously(by Newbie) he is involved in a billionair's club to shore up cash under a charity orginization. It will be interesting to see how the 'Gates Gang' use the money. Though I suspect it's intended to basically protect TPTB.
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
- Ernesto Che Guevara -
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mm2001
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jun 25 2009 : 2:59:08 PM
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Commander:We can't win Afgan war
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/commander+we+cant+win+afghan+war/2487432
So they are going for Iran in an attempt to undermine public support. That's original! Mir-Hossein Mousavi Khameneh is so suspect I'd be inclinded to side step him instantly.
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
- Ernesto Che Guevara -
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JJ111
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Posted - Jun 26 2009 : 1:39:57 PM
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jun 27 2009 : 06:48:47 AM
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is making it quite clear on his views on UK & USA.
The UK & USA & Nato forces high ranking officers know the importance of an Iran backed leader who will be sympathetic to their cause in the Afgan war(that hope was for Mir-Hossein Mousavi Khameneh). Obama is trying to push Ahmadinejad into a corner, in turn he and Iran's political heads who are opposed, are swiping back with open comments as to how we 'the west' can trust our leaders?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83830§ionid=351020101
Article:
NATO chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer says the West can only win the war by engaging all the neighbors of Afghanistan, including Iran.
"To my mind, we need a discussion that brings in all the relevant regional players: Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and yes, Iran. We need a pragmatic approach to solve this very real challenge," Scheffer said as he addressed a Monday seminar of the Security and Defense Agenda, a Brussels-based think tank.
"We need to stop looking at Afghanistan as if it were an island. Afghanistan's problems cannot be solved by or within Afghanistan alone, because they are not Afghanistan's problems alone," he added.
The NATO secretary-general said he did not know how exactly the West should go about engaging Iran, but added that the notion itself was a step forward.
Since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, Western countries have sought to exclude regional powers such as Iran, India and China from matters relating to the restive state.
At the moment NATO stations 55,000 troops in Afghanistan. The US has 34,000 troops deployed in Afghanistan with plans to send another 30,000 from Iraq.
During the Bush administration, the US accused Iran of providing arms to the Taliban in spite of the country being a leading opponent of the group during the five years that the Taliban controlled Afghanistan.
In 1998, the Taliban regime came close to a war with Iran by killing nine Iranian diplomats in the central Afghan city of Mazar Sharif.
An October report by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Center for International Studies has also revealed that Iran provided logistics support for the US war against the Taliban following the September 11 attacks.
And in an older article:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=71675§ionid=351020403
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A senior German foreign policy expert says the US needs Iran's assistance as a key regional country to win the struggle to stabilize war-torn Afghanistan.
Niels Annen, an expert with Germany's Social Democratic Party has urged the US to adopt a new regional approach to Afghanistan and stressed that Iran should be included in any such an approach, the UPI reported.
“Iran's government is not interested in a Taliban-led Afghanistan," he said on Wednesday.
According to Annen, the US' unwillingness to engage diplomatically with Iran is counterproductive.
Annen recently accompanied German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier in his visit to Afghanistan and witnessed the volatile condition in the southern city of Kandahar, where Dutch troops are in the lead.
Berlin has deployed 4,500 troops to Afghanistan and the way the situation is handled in the country has sparked public opposition in Germany.
Recent polls show that some three out of four Germans oppose the country's presence in Afghanistan.
Other links
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8122028.stm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/06/24/barack-obama-the-west-won-t-accept-blame-for-iran-115875-21466817/
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
- Ernesto Che Guevara -
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Edited by - Darkcomet on Jun 27 2009 07:29:29 AM |
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pacino
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The US/Israel - Iran War
