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ravenadams
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 Posted - Jul 06 2009 : 04:21:49 AM
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| If their is war going to happen between these countries then the condition will get worse. Either country going to start the war will not get any benefit of it.I read an article about all such news on an Israeli News Website that's why Im pretty convinced that Israel is in a real bad condition. |
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Darkcomet
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pacino
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Posted - Jul 06 2009 : 11:10:24 AM
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Hey ravenadams and Darkcomet, I do agree that the U.S. wont interfer with the Iranian/Israeli war when it occurs - but IMO the U.S. wont interfer at the beginning of the conflict... yet perharps when Israel starts losing (check Mike's prediction) and asking for help from the U.S... i think the U.S. will get involved.
Especially, if Russia's fleet (boat and submarines) get involved in the war or if even Russia attacks the U.S. navy as written in some predicitons.
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stewart1
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USA
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:33:37 PM
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Just my opinion,but, I think Israeli forces will strike Iran then Iran will strike the U.S.A. I believe it is planned. Our economy in in the toilet and getting worse, the stimulus is being with held for the 2010 elections and Obama is falling in the poles. Start a war and get everybodies mind off what is happening at home. |
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pacino
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Posted - Jul 16 2009 : 3:32:51 PM
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Report: Warships in Suez prepare for Iran Attack
British Times quotes Israeli defense official as saying movement of warships in Suez Canal 'should be taken seriously…Israel is investing time in preparing for an attack on Iran'. Source says public showcasing of maneuvers intentional
CONTINUED: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3747430,00.html
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Conor
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Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 04:51:43 AM
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That was on both the BBC and Times websites.
I found it interesting that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are allowing Israel to focus on Iran like this, essentially the other Midle East nations fear Iran and are probably glad that Israel is preparing to launch an attack if it means that Israel will allow Palestine to be set up properly as a nation in its own right. |
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pacino
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Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 10:13:57 AM
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yes Conor, also dont forget that the Israeli government is very disappointed with Obama stance towards "not" attacking Iran (to the contrary to Bush).
Hence, Israel decided that they will have to do this by themselves. Since Hezbollah, Palestine and Syria are getting all there ammunition from IRAN... Israel's best plan is to go directly to the source and cut the flow from there.. as we have all anticipated in the past... and still waiting for this war!
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Darkcomet
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Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 07:04:53 AM
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Obama is being wise to consider the USA's position with Israel. If the Iran leader was now Mir Hossein Mousavi we would have a very different story concerning Obama's actions. If this lastest upset is of Obama's doing, he is playing it dangerously. Trying to rock the boat with Iran will come back round on him very quickly.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090726/tpl-rafsanjani-denies-power-struggle-in-b04fc5e.html
If you tremble indignation
at every injustice
then you are a comrade of mine.
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pacino
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pacino
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pacino
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 09:55:13 AM
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It seems that peace talks with U.S. and Iran are deteriorating...
Iranian Official blames Deadly Bombing on 'U.S. Actions'
October 18
URL: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/10/18/iran.suicide.attack/index.html
> NEW: U.S. rejects Iran's accusation, mourns "loss of innocent lives"
> Five senior officers with Iran's Revolutionary Guard among 29 killed in terrorist blast at conference (in Iran)
> At least 28 others injured in explosion as Shiite, Sunni groups head to conference
> No claim of responsibility; Iran points finger at U.S. without disclosing its reasons
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pacino
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:03:13 PM
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Will finally the Iranian/Israeli and U.S. war start?
Iran threatens to invade Pakistan, "crushing response" for US, UK
EBKAfile Special Report
October 19, 2009, 2:41 PM (GMT+02:00)
Iranian Revolutionary Guards chief Mohammed Ali Jafari
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafary, Monday, Oct. 19, threatened "crushing" retaliation against the US, UK and Pakistan including the invasion of its eastern neighbor. Tehran links all three to the suicide bombing attack in Sistan-Baluchistan Sunday, Oct. 18, which killed 42 people including seven senior Guards officers. One was Gen. Nur Ali Shoustari, Jafari's deputy, who was identified by DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources as commander of the al Qods clandestine terror bases in Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
Jafary said: "Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them."
Continued ... http://www2.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6328
Iran: US, UK, Pakistan behind bomb
JPOST: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255694843978&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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halifax
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Posted - Nov 01 2009 : 6:25:41 PM
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Mike, in reference to your latest updates on your overview page, I would like to add some further comment on the current status on this topic. You may not agree with this view but I think this angle needs to be aired for discussion as Obama leading the US instead of Bush Jnr I believe changes the US/Israeli relationship somewhat.
Obama has been the most aloof president towards Israel in recent history. He gives the perception he is not an Israeli supporter. He is not that well received by Israeli leaders, as he does not provide the same political sympathy that recent presidents have displayed in regards to Israel matters.
So why then would the current US administration want to get involved in a joint Israeli attack on anyone in the Middle East at this time? Since the new president has been in office maybe Israel is planning to go it alone with the war plans. The US has been stretched with the Iraq conflict, and the ever-expanding Afghan campaign that has now spilled over into Pakistani territory. For the US to open up a new war directly with Iran or anyone else in the region for that matter, would only stretch resources even further and open up yet another war front.
The Russian propaganda via websites like whatdoesthatmean.com appears to be dragging the US into the mix with Israel to satisfy their own agenda. In reality, Israel will most probably go it alone and attack without support from the current US administration.
More than likely the US would be dragged into the conflict afterwards. Israel attacking anyone in the Middle East gives Russia the excuse to get involved militarily, which in turn drags the US into the conflict, even if the current administration did not want this to occur. After all, as we have discussed many times in the past on this forum the west cannot allow the Middle East Oil regions to fall into hostile control.
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mm2001
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Posted - Nov 02 2009 : 01:00:50 AM
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Halifax,
If you look at the title, RUSSIA ON NUCLEAR ALERT AS ISRAEL PREPARES FOR WAR IN LEBANON AND IRAN, STORMS TEMPLE MOUNT, it is clear the emphasis of my presentation of news articles is indeed that ISRAEL will start a war with Iran and, quite possibly, its neighbour to the north, Lebanon. No mention of the US is in the title, although the US appears in the Iran war news stories.
While I do take some of Sorcha Faal's "reports" with a grain of salt, there are times she is spot on about what she is saying, and her research or support network is well-documented. I felt there was some credibility in her article this time around.
We can, if we wish, chalk up any mention of a joint US-Israeli attack on Iran that DEBKAfile mentions as political Zionist propaganda if we wish, however I have to take seriously the other article that appears courtesy of the Chicago Geopolitics Examiner, "U.S. and Israel prepare for military action against Iran" at http://www.examiner.com/x-4454-Chicago-Geopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d31-US-and-Israel-prepare-for-military-action-against-Iran .
When the Chicago Examiner is citing material from STRATFOR Global Intelligence, this particular intelligence report located at http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/147979/geopolitical_diary/20091028_diplomatic_tumult , you know you are effectively being given information from a very reputable intelligence-gathering organisation.
I remember the days when STRATFOR was a free service, but now one must pay to get this intelligence. Obviously, if I could afford to pay for access to sites like STRATFOR's, I would not be asking for donations for my website.
So, while it may fly in the face of things, if STRATFOR Global Intelligence says the US is working with Israel for a possible joint attack against Iran later this month or next month, and have notified Russia of its possible intentions, it is something I must take very seriously. This, in turn, lends credibility to the DEBKAfile claims of the same. Together, with factual news reports of Israeli military activity on the border with Lebanon, which Sorcha Faal has properly documented with several articles, a few of which I have provided links to, one of which was available on my site before her article was even written, I reluctantly must credit her with some degree of accuracy in reporting.
Personally, I agree that the base 7 timing for a US war with Iran should have occurred during Bush Jr's watch, likely last year (2008), especially during the autumn, or else back in 2005 (early or late). That is why there are no base 7 projections for the US doing anything against Iran this year other than joining in afterwards if Israel starts a major war in the Middle East by launching its own air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. Scenarios for the US conflict largely fall into defensive attacks, such as a few air strikes from the sea against Iranian land targets or ship-to-ship missile retaliations for attacks on US ships, naval support for allied warships, and, of course, US ships being bombed in the Red Sea or Persian Gulf by Iran or terrorists. It is clear that, for this year, I believed that the US would get caught up in fighting after war was begun either by Israel or Israel's enemies.
This still may happen. Not yet posted is the only date in the near future I can see America taking decisive action against Iran ... and that is March 2010. If the US is not at war with Iran in 2010 then the big war in the Middle East will be deferred until the beginning of 2012 (January or February), and the US will likely be part of a multi-national coalition arrayed against Teheran should it not occur until then.
Having said that, should we circumvent a major war in the region involving Israel and Iran with Arab armies, non-Arab Muslim forces, and major powers allying on either side, I would emphasise that Lebanon, at least, is going to become a big problem one way or another in 2010. We will either see another Israeli war launched against Lebanon like the one in June 1982, causing the US and other Western nations to enter into yet another quagmire like Iraq, or there will be civil war there again as factions fight for power (or both situations may occur). If we are lucky, an Israeli war in Lebanon, if it occurs, will be no worse than the one in 2006. But civil turmoil still will, I suspect, open up the way for the pro-Rifaat al-Assad factions to overthrow the weaker, effeminate Bashar al-Assad of Syria. Then the Muslim-prophesied Sufyanni shall sit upon his throne in Damascus, with the blessing of the kings of the west, a puppet "beast" firmly esconched in the Arab world.
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pacino
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The US/Israel - Iran War
